This is not a blog, in its exact sense! (Apologies)
It's a conversational-chat with a very good friend who happens to tolerate my blabber on spiritual-related topics....
That friend is a scientist (mathematician)
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Yes I had also read about it.
It is very nice classification.
It is very nice. One does come in life accross each of this type.
Some times even for a few minutes you meet some one who can become one of these for you.
Once Navy decades back in a conference in USA taking coffee with one young American guy - I was also young, generally in such conferences most are older people. He asked me on what type of problems you work. What you like.
I told him- now a days I am interested in large objects, those going up to infinity.
You know there are many such examples. Some feeling, conjecture that some thing like this- this must be true..
But there are small examples which are sort of counter examples. They defy that vision.
I have proven on several such cases that this defiance is because these examples are small.
If you assume sufficiently large some attributes then the conjecture is true.
He told me- interesting, very interesting. I mostly try opposite.
I enjoy studying those small examples, which do not satisfy the smoothness.
Some of them have beauty.
I like to discover that beauty.
I enjoyed that very much. I thought that guy opened my eyes to other side which I had never looked.
It have me a new vision...
It helped me to get much better vision in general too.
This classification is really nice. But one has to use it also well.
Most people in science or spiritual world too use just to belittle others.
Some how ego seems to affect a lot. In science world I have seen - so many just go on using every tool to "prove" that only their field is the greatest - and mostly they try to do it by trying to reduce importance of others.
Same thing is true even among spirituality people. it is strange to see shaiva people claiming only shiva and vishnu people claiming only vishnu or krishna is greatest, sagun belittling adviata people as mayavadi and nrigun saying sagun is no good and so an on.
All of them also belittling science people and science people belittling equally badly philosophy and spiritual studies.
Even many so called gurus also did in both fields. (for example even I was a bit surprised to see that even chinmayanand did that he even fought some battles in courts with some of his shishya. ) Though I respect him still. People do have such errors.
But it shows they lacked some universal vision they should have had.
Mostly it is ego..
Onky very few both in science and spirituality world are above it .. they see exactly the subjects as they are and their numbers are tiny.
It may look strange to others but such tiny numbers if you see finally what vision they had whether a sadhu or scientist was almost the same.
Personally living now in both worlds - eevn I have seen that very few have reached that level of seeing beyond. Most of them are lost in ego of what they do is only right path.
Not may realize that they have stopped on way via that feeling.
My own experience is all these subjects are essentially the same.. I have studied both sides to see that.
There is only one difference - is sceince people even though they do use sukshma nonphysical aspects to develop their vision their studies are restricted to physcial or psychophysical world.
Spiritual studies in India at one time involved studying a much bigger world suskhma etc and in very cohesive style. studying physical world even engineering was part of their wandering.
But now we do not study much physical world via our own theories. (in last few centuries )
it is visible only in ayurveda a bit.
Good part is those methods are still available. some stray people are also there who do study..
My response 🙏:
Quite interesting 👍
Now, .....
If we try to understand (driven by a desire to understand), the distinction between the 'approaches' towards reaching the 'ultimate'....
We find that we initially lack the tools-itself to attempt the "approaches"(😂😂😂)...
Even this "finding"( almost a "discovery") is great....👍
If we are not-even aware that we lack something ( tools, here) we are like pappu ( unfortunate, and even-unaware of being-unfortunate😂)
What could-be such-tools.? (is an elaborate thing to discuss properly🙏)
With those tools, we can understand the "nature" of each-distinct approaches🙏....
Then, we might(if fortunate) also discover the basic core structure which ..... ought to be the-same despite a huge difference in each of those approaches....
In the ancient days, these approaches were broadly classified under 4 major types.... Today, those classification don't work at-all😂....but very few even-understand that they-dont-work! ( Why? तो बाद की बात है)...
It is possible to have a fair idea of ....
how the ancients might have looked at the 4 (beyond the word-meanings, ....) delving into its mechanics😂!
The 4 are ridiculously simple....bhakti, karma, kriya & gyana....
The mystic aspect is, all these 4 approaches were invariaby used only-with-a suffix😜.....yoga! The very-use of this word ....ought-to wake up our brain's alertness, towards its deeper implications ....( That is why.....you sound so emphatic ....every time you try to draw a comparison,....to show-a-similarity... between the "attitude of mind".....of a genuine researcher and a spiritual-ascetic(austerities wala)....
Still, the finer-particle, which is common to all the 4, is quite elusive ( it doesn't evade a grasp😂...it is just elusive).... Prana!
Prana can be explained with a remotely-indicative example.....current!
We have alternating and direct current/electric.... Adapters, transformers, step up & step down, rheostats, shunts....etc are basic devices we know , that change the very dynamics of it's (currents) flow.... Now we use subtle energy-forms of that current (its field....or rather it's wave....to even charge our mobile batteries😂😂)...
Gadgets have diversified unimaginably.....though based on the same "energy/prana"🙏
The praanic energy gets collected into a "form"....(one type/kind of collection, we-call it as life🙏, purely for our purposes-of understanding.... Existence, prakruti, (Maya Madam) doesn't-need such classification 😜)....
Within life forms... a sub-sub classification is human form( a sophisticated piece of gadget😂)....
Prana can flow in innumerable ways, directions, dimensions,etc....in a human form, without limitation too😜( complication-is-here)....
Any-sophistication, necessitates conditionalities 🙏😢
Whether we are "interested" to delve into "self"( the core essence, not the "dependents" on this-self)????
A koschan , that has to spring up only from within....😢😢😢
